Big guy with some experience, Scout 2 or Rush 3 Pro?

by Wayne
(Puyallup, WA)

I have been interesting in Power/Traction kites since I first saw them 20 years ago. Never had the money to get one and so I settled in to flying stunt kites. While I have not flown often I am perfectly comfortable flying two like kites, I fully understand the wind window and though I did not previously know the term, power-strokes.

I can take off and land, drag wingtips, fly patterns and strokes. I have no problems with flying while looking away from the kite, even in high winds and with my small fast kite. The last time out I flew for two hours straight and was wishing I had the cash for a power kite.

What I have not experienced is the pull of a power/traction kite. I am also not a small guy, currently pushing 265lbs.-270lbs with plenty of grip strength and a short stocky frame. This leads me to believe that a larger kite, which is more of a transition or traction kite might be a more correct choice for me as I make the transition to kite boarding. To that end I have been looking at the Scout 2 5m over say something like a Rush 3 Pro 3.5m kite.

I live in the Western Washington and the inland sites tend to to be a little sheltered from the wind, but the coast generally has moderate steady wind. So here I am looking for more opinions. Will I outgrow the Rush 3 Pro in short order? Will the bigger and more powerful Scout 2 be more then I can handle?

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Feb 01, 2011
It Depends!
by: Glen - KiteboardingEvolution.com

Hi Wayne!

Thanks for taking the time to post your question.

Now, for an answer. I would say the kite you choose depends on what you want to do with it, and what your winds are.

But, that said, if you ever want to do anything with your kite other than fly it to learn (like landboard, etc...), the Rush 350 isn't going to work for you. I can tell you that right now - at your weight, I'm not sure if that kite will budge you. You'd feel it for sure, and it would move you if the wind picked up, but I don't think it would toss you around like a ragdoll.

So, if you intended on using a kite to fly / try snowkiting with, then you'd definitely want to look for a bit bigger one.

But, before you grab a 5 m, take a very close look at the wind you'll be flying in. A 5m2 kite will produce a massive amount of power, and it will even give you a run for your money in all but the lowest winds. I would not get this kite if you wanted to fly the kite casually in the park, and I do recommend having someone go over the safety systems, etc.. with you (in other words, a bit of lessons on the safety of the kite). Any wind over 10 knots, that kite is going to pull like you wouldn't believe, and trust me, I have seen big guys get manhandled. The last thing you want is to damage your new kite, yourself, or someone else.

But, that said, if you were looking for something to pull yourself with, the kite might provide some opportunity.

So, to answer your question, the Rush 350 might be a little small if you're looking for a kite that will challenge you (again, this depends on the wind).

The Scout 5.0 probably will be a bit much for casual flying. I would only go this big if you want to do a traction kite sport, and think about getting some lessons with it as well.

Does this help? It's extremely difficult to give good advice without knowing what the winds will be like.

Thanks!

Glen
KiteboardingEvolution.com

Feb 01, 2011
Thanks for the info.
by: Wayne

Thanks for the information Glen. The typical winds in this area are on the lighter side, 2-6mph when away from the water or inland a bit. This weekend for example the winds at the two places I can see flying it locally are expected to max out at about 9mph as a front moves through.

My plan was to use it to build muscle memory, improve my kite handeling skills and explore snow and land kiting, before I lay out the cash for a water based setup. At this point I do not think my wife or daughter are interested in learning to fly power/traction kites.

I am trying to drop some on my extra weight before moving to using the kite for a board sport but doing that has proven difficult so far. I also thank you for being the first person to diswade me from buying the larger kite. It's nice to see someone more concerned with my safety then turning a profit.

Feb 03, 2011
No Problem...
by: Glen - KiteboardingEvolution.com

No Problem. I started this website partially because I was sick of being fed crappy information online. I also remember being told things during my lessons that didn't make physical sense, which made it a heck of a lot harder to learn.

The winds you talk about are not as intense as I was worried about. 10 MPH is similar to 10 knots, so in that wind a Rush 350 won't be able to pull you. For a Rush 350 to move me (and I weigh 155 lbs), I needed over 15 knots on packed snow / ice with a snowboard (very little friction). In order for me to ride upwind, I needed over 20 knots.

In less wind, I'm able to use my 9m2 inflatable to kite on snow. On hard packed snow / ice, I'm able to ride just fine in 4 mph - that's barely enough for the kite to stay in the air. Once the wind got in the 9 mph range, the kite is almost too powerful for the conditions (I would need more snow or a smaller kite to continue...and this is on a flat, frozen lake).

When you're looking at a foil kite, the power of the foil is about equivalent to the power of an inflatable that's around 2 m2 bigger. So, I should have had the same results with a 7m2 foil. Once the wind picked up, I would have wanted a smaller foil than that.

That what it's like for me. If the snow got deeper, or the hills got steeper, I would need more wind or a bigger kite.

You, since you're bigger than me, can manage a bigger kite, since you'll need more power. This is where things get tough, because it's hard to say how much bigger of a kite is best for you. That's one of the best things about lessons - your instructor has lots of kites, and you'll be able to try them until you find one that is right for the conditions. Then, you just have to look at your average conditions, and remember what worked for you.

But, don't worry about your size. As long as you're capable of riding on a board, you're ok. That's the great thing about this sport - the kites produce so much power, you can pretty much do it regardless of size. You just need to get the gear that's right for you in the conditions. I remember in Thailand, I was kiting on a 12m2 kite, and almost had too much power. At the exact same time, another guy was rocking out on a 15m2. He managed because his board was a bit smaller, and he had 100 pounds on me. It worked for him, but it would have been too much for me.

Hopefully this helps you gain some perspective on the issue. Best of luck!

Glen

Feb 11, 2013
I want to start landboarding
by: offroaddave

I wanted to start landboarding and i contacted one of the online stores. I was going to buy the rush 350 pro. I will be mostly on grass as i live in ohio. I am 5' 10" and weigh about 225. He said it would be better to start with the scout2 5m. I plan to just get the feel for this kite before hopping on the board. Any input would be great.

Mar 02, 2013
Yes, go bigger.
by: Glen - KiteboardingEvolution.com

Hi Dave,

Yes, you will want to go bigger most likely. That will depend on the wind again, but as you might be gathering from this thread, the Rush 350 PRO only lets you really play on snow in very high winds. If you want to landboard on grass, you will need an even bigger kite in those same winds.

If the winds are less than 20 knots (and they likely are) you again will need a bigger kite. A 4 or 5 m is probably your best option, but again that will depend on wind.

All you will need to do is make sure you practice flying the kite in very low wind until your have mastered the safety systems, launching, and landing. From there, you probably can venture into trying on your board.

Hope this helps,

Glen

Mar 02, 2013
another question for u glen
by: Anonymous

Thanks for some imput Glen. I did aquire the scout2 5M kite to practice learning with my feet on the ground. I see that it says it's flat span is 12.7ft. Do you think that after I get it mastered with my feet on the ground i would be able to get started with a landboard with that kite? Thanks David

Mar 28, 2013
replying to my last comment
by: Anonymous

I got that scout2 5.0m and finally got to give it a try. The wind was very light and variable and i could not get to go up. Finally after trying for a couple hrs the wind picked up of which forcast was 5-10 mph. That has some serious pull. A couple of time if i did not run towards the kite direction i think it would of pulled me over and across the ground. I will use better judgment and practice with feet on the ground before purchasing a landboard. Your input from everyone's questions has been very helpful. Thanks

Apr 19, 2013
Yes, 5.0 is Strong
by: Glen - KiteboardingEvolution.com

You bet, a 5.0 m2 kite is a large kite and will have some serious strength for all riders. You definitely will be able to ride with that on a landboard, but you will want to make sure you master the kite first. Practice using your safety systems, and then take it slow.

You can also practice the exercises on this website (or in the Trainer Kite Field Guide) to help give you a leg up.

Enjoy!

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