Scout 2 3m Compared to Rush Pro 3.5

by Randy
(Oregon City, Oregon)

Hi

I am debating buying the Rush pro 3.5 or the scout 2 3m some reviews rate them close to the same power, but the scout is only 8ft wide where the pro 3.5 is 11 ft wide, I realize the scout is more nimble, how can a kite that much smaller be as powerful.

I hope to get into landboarding, kite buggies, which of these trainers will give the more realistic training? I am 170 lbs and live in Oregon, the coast being the place I will probably be Kiting most. I am impressed with the technology of the scout series.

Thanks,

Randy

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Feb 23, 2011
Let's look at the numbers...
by: Glen - KiteboardingEvolution.com

Hi Randy,

I love to hear that you're really doing your research...that's great.

You're right, the Scout 3m and the Rush 3.5 have pretty much the same power. I'm on the manufacturers website looking at the exact kite specifications and the Scout 3m is:

Flat Span (cm/ft) 324 cm /10.63 ft
Height (cm/ft) 110 cm /3.6 ft
Flat Aspect Ratio 3.5
Flat Area 3 m2

Where the Rush 350 PRO is:

Flat Span (cm/ft) 350 cm / 11.5 ft
Height (cm/ft) 120 cm /3.94 ft
Flat Aspect Ratio 3.6
Flat Area 3.5 m2

So, the Scout 3m is pretty much the same size as the Rush Pro 350, but there are a couple of key differences. First, it's has a slightly higher aspect ratio (AR), and it has the X-over bridle steering system, and both of these things make the kite fly and respond quicker. The higher AR makes the kite more responsive overall, while the x-over steering makes the kite turn quicker.

If there's one thing to remember about kiteboarding it's: if you want more power, make your kite fly faster. The Scout can produce similar amounts of power as the Rush most likely because it can be flown quicker. (I say most likely because there are other factors that can have an effect that we can't determine based on the specs, like projected area, etc...)

If you're looking to use the kite as an intro to landboarding, I would consider the Scout. It comes with a harness strap, and also has the 'quick de-power' strap that allows you to kill the power of the kite without unhooking and triping your safety leash. It's also constructed to be used as a traction kite, which means it's designed to take more abuse than a trainer kite. Trainers are made to be flown for practice, while traction kites are made to be used in real life.

In terms of the most realistic training, both kites will do. You will be able to learn the skills that you need to know on either. Considering this, I would make my choice based on which kite will last me the longest. I don't think it's as efficient to get a Rush, just because you're going to have modify it more if you want to use it on your landboard (you'll have to buy a harness loop and add it to it, and the safety system isn't as comprehensive).

If landboarding is where you want to go, the Scout will last you longer. It's meant for it and it comes with features that, if you don't need now, you'll need soon enough.

I hope this answers your question!

Currently we have Scout 3, 4, and 5 m in stock.

HQ Scout - KiteboardingEvolution Store

Have a great day!

Glen
KiteboardingEvolution.com


P.S. And here's the source of the numbers that I quoted above.


Scout Specs. Source: http://www.powerkites.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=284&Itemid=330&lang=en

Rush Specs. Source: http://www.powerkites.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=194&Itemid=287&lang=en

Feb 23, 2011
Response
by: Randy

Thanks for the quick response, I will buy the Scour 2 3m, probably later tonight. Randy

Nov 20, 2011
Take it to the next step 4.0
by: Joe

OK so on that same premise of comp specs - what about using the Scout II 4.0 - looks like it will fly in lighter wind and it only costs like $20 more than the 3.0. On another note why is the Scout's lines shorter than the Rush Pro 20m vs 25m ??

thanks for your thoughts.

Nov 22, 2011
Rideable Range...
by: Glen - KiteboardingEvolution.com

Hi Joe,

Once you've determined which kite you're going to use, you want to choose its size based on its rideable wind range. The Scout 4m will fly in slightly lower wind, however the wind range that you will actually use it in to snowkite is a bit smaller.

For example, you might use the Scout 3.0m to ride on hard-pack snow in 15-22 knots of wind. With the Scout 4.0m, you'd probably use it in 11-18 knots, or something like that. With the 5m, you'd probably be looking at 6-13 knots.

**Don't take these numbers as golden rules. I just mean to broadly illustrate a point, and the kite size you use will change based on your local conditions, snow depth, your weight etc...

So, you don't want to get a kite with a huge wind range if the wind that you want to ride in is unsuitable for the kite. Choose based on the average winds in your area, local conditions, and your size.

As for the differing lengths in the lines, that won't make too much of a difference. Longer lines generally give your kite a touch more power overall because they enlarge the wind window and allow you to get the kite moving faster. This is helpful when riding in marginal conditions and where you need to really work the kite. In the cases that we're talking about, the difference in line length is negligible. Also, having shorter lines generally gives a more responsive and direct feel to the kite.

Anyways, have a great day!

Glen

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